tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post5785471891988162989..comments2023-08-02T23:04:07.548+08:00Comments on Yawning Bread Sampler: Fundie exco booted out of AWAREYawning Bread Samplerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07107097753480790615noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-30159302577061042052009-05-25T09:38:42.223+08:002009-05-25T09:38:42.223+08:00Spoke too soon of victory.
TSM, Josie and gang g...Spoke too soon of victory. <br /><br />TSM, Josie and gang got the CSE manual out into public space. <br /><br />The rest you know.A Tannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-5749472891916293602009-05-10T23:08:00.000+08:002009-05-10T23:08:00.000+08:00allytan2003,
From what I remember from Bible clas...allytan2003,<br /><br />From what I remember from Bible classes, the school pastor told us that all other religions are false, that they come to nothingness and thus are unable to save us (虚空 in the Chinese Language).<br /><br />He also told us, when we pray, if we're "fated" to meet god, we will see an image of him appearing before us.<br /><br />A friend who zealously preached to me had the following answer for me when I asked him if it's god's will that I don't believe in him: It's god's will you believe him in another life.<br /><br />Sure, it may be just one person, but what if we asked every Christian this question, what kind of answers will we actually get?<br /><br />Des小肥与阿宝https://www.blogger.com/profile/15870329836270170996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-43186090920694536562009-05-07T14:55:00.000+08:002009-05-07T14:55:00.000+08:00I am from across the crossway and have been follow...I am from across the crossway and have been following this saga with interest. Why? Maybe because I am an de-converted Christians (in other words, I used to believe but not anymore - thank god or maybe thank the flying sphagetti?) and I know exactly what they are thinking and trying to do. So misguided, it is sad.<br /><br />I am proud of the old guard and those spunky ladies who spoke out. Congrates to you right thinking Singaporeans who must always ensure that society is secular and accommodating of all views and opinions.<br /><br />One last word - relax Mr Au. In my view, Vox Populi language is perfectly acceptable. It shows some passion which is seriously lacking in many people. You should perhaps peep into a Malaysian blog. It is far more colourful but are we about to kill each other because of it? Come on, relax and speak out.<br /><br />By the way, why so many "Anonymous" write? What are you guys afraid of? Senior MM? Come on, put a name down or at least a blog name.BareSheenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11016901263005122202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-45111395849530992142009-05-07T10:51:00.000+08:002009-05-07T10:51:00.000+08:00Ok, let me be more specific then... Down with the ...Ok, let me be more specific then... Down with the Christian Fundies! Down with the Christian Taliban! Acceptable now?Vox Populinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-32791237433332854732009-05-07T01:25:00.000+08:002009-05-07T01:25:00.000+08:00does anybody know what their stance is on religion...does anybody know what their stance is on religions like Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism ?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01025303007088431637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-84640257292037157872009-05-07T00:10:00.000+08:002009-05-07T00:10:00.000+08:00Some people have spent all their lives with only o...Some people have spent all their lives with only one tree; you can’t convince them that they are actually in a forest.Rachelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-33681742186863607272009-05-06T18:21:00.000+08:002009-05-06T18:21:00.000+08:00I wonder how many of those who posted anti-christa...I wonder how many of those who posted anti-christain comments are just what they are - christain bashers - rather than true supporters of Inclusiveness. Shouldn't Inclusive also include christains or are these self claim 'Inclusive' people willing to include those who agree with them?seeseekaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-88887629884293524162009-05-06T14:01:00.000+08:002009-05-06T14:01:00.000+08:00Someone asked why counting the vote took so long. ...Someone asked why counting the vote took so long. It was because there were 3 ballot slips (we had tabled 3 reasons for the non confidence notion and the Exco chose, inexplicably, to put each reason on its own slip). So the slips were first sorted and then counted. Both sides had their own scrutineers, along with the Deloitte people. <br /><br />As for the discrepancy between the 3,000 membership and the 2,100+ votes cast - that was because associate members (men, foreign women, minors) don't have voting rights, plus the ordinary members who were out of town.Titushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03396446841877800651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-631689187852496972009-05-06T11:52:00.000+08:002009-05-06T11:52:00.000+08:00Mind you, please be polite with Thio Su Mien as sh...Mind you, please be polite with Thio Su Mien as she is really talented. Check out http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word.html?ID=2997 Just do a word search on her mighty there and you can see why.Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-72212045052567978612009-05-06T00:16:00.000+08:002009-05-06T00:16:00.000+08:00Vox Populi's comment is outside acceptable speech....Vox Populi's comment is outside acceptable speech.Yawning Bread Samplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07107097753480790615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-74040162133678339102009-05-05T23:19:00.000+08:002009-05-05T23:19:00.000+08:00Down with the Christians! They're all Fundies! Too...Down with the Christians! They're all Fundies! Too many of them in Parliament, in Government, in business, in Singapore and in the world. Push back the Christian tide. Freedom from the Christians!Vox Populinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-85154529992062449292009-05-05T23:12:00.000+08:002009-05-05T23:12:00.000+08:00Would the men (who have no vote) account for at le...Would the men (who have no vote) account for at least some of the missing votes? I understand that there were around 300 of them.<br /><br />Then what about abstentions?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-69006969480670343312009-05-05T19:27:00.000+08:002009-05-05T19:27:00.000+08:00Through out this entire debacle, I'm kinda bemused...Through out this entire debacle, I'm kinda bemused that Thio Li-Ann (did I get it right) did not seek to use her influence to support her mum and her cronies in any way whatsoever.<br /><br />Told by the PAP establishment to stay out of it perhaps?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-22425393498043707952009-05-05T14:36:00.000+08:002009-05-05T14:36:00.000+08:00Constant vigilance. That's what we ought to do esp...Constant vigilance. That's what we ought to do especially now that Singaporean society and public space is slowly but surely being suffocated by fundies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-22023163063795407042009-05-04T23:17:00.000+08:002009-05-04T23:17:00.000+08:00I've been to church with these types.
Most o...I've been to church with these types. <br /><br />Most of the 761 are sheep. They can be safely discounted. They would be there due to peer pressure. When one leaves, all will leave together. :D<br /><br />I wish Josie Lau & Gang the best. I hope they learn something positive from this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-7860487171786201802009-05-04T09:40:00.000+08:002009-05-04T09:40:00.000+08:00Yes congrats to AWARE & all those who cast the...Yes congrats to AWARE & all those who cast their votes for the old guard, you are indeed brave women! <br /><br />I support the jeerings cos Josie Lau played dirty during the EOGM right from the start by refusing to turn on the mikes, allowed her red t shirt supporters prority entry, encouraged her red t shirt supporters to shove & push old guard supporters as reported in the Straits Times.<br /><br />Wondering which target Thio Su Mien is now lusting after, I'm very certain she is plotting now, this woman does not rest on her laurels, her misguided mission which she sees coming from God is all screwed up.<br /><br />Perhaps Thio would hijack this global NGO based in Spore, World Toilet Organization, http://www.worldtoilet.org/contactus.asp. So convenient, based here in Spore some more earned some UN recognition & has global clout.<br /><br />What do the rest of you think? Thio Su Mien can definitely think of inserting her gay agenda somewhere here by saying that toilets cannot be used as places for consensual sex by the gay community.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-86572933575477615922009-05-04T01:43:00.000+08:002009-05-04T01:43:00.000+08:00Dont forget Pastor Derek Hong.. the power behind t...Dont forget Pastor Derek Hong.. the power behind the "throne"...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-18391490989943138762009-05-04T01:25:00.000+08:002009-05-04T01:25:00.000+08:00To Anonymous, 23 May 16.58
Would not Ladies having...To Anonymous, 23 May 16.58<br />Would not Ladies having Virgins be lesbianism even though they are gifts from heaven?<br />Anyway, I do think that the Ladies of the New (un to May 09)Exco and Ms Thio would wanna look forward to have lady virgins even if they be going to heaven.<br />heaven Forbid !!!Simplesimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14740717801749190319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-43293392182445403562009-05-04T00:41:00.000+08:002009-05-04T00:41:00.000+08:00Found the comment on TOC from article Chaos - “Sit...Found the comment on TOC from article Chaos - “Sit down and shut up” (video):<br /><br />"17) Chuihua on May 3rd, 2009 4.14 pm<br /><br />I think there was a mastermind, though they kept insisting there weren’t. People in the red T-shirts come in buses, and have their stickers put on and didn’t have to queue for two hours! They walked in, sat for a while, cast their vote and left, without even engaging in discourse, or showing any signs of wanting to hear what the others are so unhappy about Josie Lau’s team. There must be a mastermind where the buses come from."Doublespeaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-62139144914514151532009-05-04T00:33:00.000+08:002009-05-04T00:33:00.000+08:00"To be honest, at the start of the call for an EOG..."To be honest, at the start of the call for an EOGM, I, along with many of the old guard were pessimistic that there would be enough people to outnumber the church's clarion call."<br /><br />Yes me too. I was pessimistic about the outcome and found that 1414 vs 761 very very much exceeding my expectations. <br /><br />"So, what should one read as the significance of 761?"<br /><br />That some portion of these voters were obligated instead of voluntary? Thus the really against old guards votes should be a smaller number? <br /><br />"And one more thing about the 761 who did show up - they mostly sat quietly saying nothing. Did they not have opinions of their own?"<br /><br />Noticed this also. Would have expected the supporters of the Josie camp to speak up, made noise when the other camp was so loud and demonstrative. But they didn't. Odd and telling. <br /><br />I read somewhere that the red-shirts came in ferried buses, left in the same manner and didn't have to queue to register?...<br /><br />Just to point out: During the press conference with the Josie camp after they were defeated, Lois Ng explicitly asked about the "missing" votes, a subject which I see is also being discussed here. <br /><br />The way she asked, it felt as if she's implying something there. <br /><br />This is the feeling I get as, during their previous press conference at RTC, they had used this tactic to suggest things to think of (to the press and the public) instead of coming right out to say what they think. <br /><br />Besides those who were unable to come (overseas), male associate members, H1N1 flu thus avoiding crowds and etc, some maybe what you have suggested, those Christians who were asked to join by their churches but later changed their minds. <br /><br />But Josie Lau also mentioned that they stopped registration and there were many who couldn't make it in time to be registered and participate in the EOGM. <br /><br />Perhaps Josie's camp expected a larger turn out from their supporters just like we did?Doublespeaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-91578765881484257462009-05-04T00:26:00.000+08:002009-05-04T00:26:00.000+08:00I'm confused, so now Aware is pro or against lesbi...I'm confused, so now Aware is pro or against lesbian?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-78738565451501884352009-05-04T00:06:00.000+08:002009-05-04T00:06:00.000+08:00I am on the other side of the Earth and genuinely ...I am on the other side of the Earth and genuinely touched that so many people cared. This is so huge.<br /><br />I wonder about a couple of things.<br /><br />Did any of the red shirts change their minds during the the EOGM? I feel like if you look at the vote, the differing numbers on the 3 resolutions, some might have (though not many), more people voted on the resolution that the Josie Lau exco lacked experience for instance, so perhaps, the red shirts are less sheep like than we necessarily imagine.<br /><br />That apathetic Singaporeans paid $40 and showed up and got in line and waited and voted.<br /><br />This is huge!Becca D'Bushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08254846661162356827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-43658046525995988792009-05-03T23:48:00.000+08:002009-05-03T23:48:00.000+08:00Congrats to AWARE!!!! I am proud to have witnessed...Congrats to AWARE!!!! I am proud to have witnessed the historic occassion where civil society has saved Singapore from both the church and state on the night of 2 May. <br /><br />As for the 761, i suspect that the numbers could have been a lot more. I may even speculate that some were even probably swayed to the old guard during the session. <br /><br />KKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-3679019647114421962009-05-03T23:35:00.000+08:002009-05-03T23:35:00.000+08:00Doublespeak -
To be honest, at the start of the ...Doublespeak - <br /><br />To be honest, at the start of the call for an EOGM, I, along with many of the old guard were pessimistic that there would be enough people to outnumber the church's clarion call.<br /><br />761 was rather lower than I expected. If I had to make a guess at the start of April, I would have said 2,000.<br /><br />And one more thing about the 761 who did show up - they mostly sat quietly saying nothing. Did they not have opinions of their own? For all the provocation of the numerous supporters of the old guard who peppered the fundie exco with questions and comments, did no more than 2 or 3 of the 761 have something to say in return? Did they see themselves as just sheep?<br /><br />More. After they had cast their vote around 4:30, they started to leave. By the time the results were announced, at 8:10, many had left - like they were not really interested in the outcome. Like, oh we've done what we were told to do and now we can go home.<br /><br />So, what should one read as the significance of 761?Yawning Bread Samplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07107097753480790615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28396254.post-40204466261422694712009-05-03T23:22:00.000+08:002009-05-03T23:22:00.000+08:00It is a beautiful day indeed, and from across the ...It is a beautiful day indeed, and from across the Pacfic I celebrate with the women and men in Singapore who have voted for (or supported in other ways) equality, dignity and respect. <br /><br />There are Christians, and there are Christians. I hope this will not create a backlash against all Christians in Singapore. In spite of their good intentions (yes, I know this is debatable) overly zealous evangelicals can sometimes forget the true message of Christianity and what Jesus said when asked what is the most important commandment set by God:<br /><br /><I>"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: [...] Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." (Mark 12: 29-31)</I>Love, compassion, respect. I hope they remember these.Karennoreply@blogger.com